Writer/Director Lynn Shelton Talks Touchy Feely, Her First Multi-Million Dollar Feature Laggies, and Why She Loves Working in Television|
by Sheila Roberts, published on August 27, 2013 - 1:44 PM PDT
Lynn Sheltons new indie dramedy Touchy Feely is a film about soul searching, intimacy and healing that examines what happens when a familys precarious balance is suddenly upset by an unexpected journey of self-exploration that no one saw coming. Written and directed by Shelton, the movie was shot on location in Seattle and boasts a strong ensemble cast that includes Rosemarie DeWitt, Josh Pais, Ellen Page, Allison Janney, Ron Livingston, Scoot McNairy and newcomer Tomo Nakayama. Now available on iTunes/On Demand, and in theaters September 6th, Touchy Feely was an official selection at the 2013 Sundance Film Festival.
At the films recent press day, Shelton talked about what it was like reuniting again with DeWitt, why she wrote the main roles with DeWitt and Pais in mind, casting an initially reluctant Livingston, how composer Vinny Smith and musician-turned-actor Nakayamas contributions helped transform the film, how she created a comfort level on set that brought out the best performances from her cast, why she loves working in television and how it complements her filmmaking, voicing the character of Danielle opposite Paul Rudd in David Gordon Greens Prince Avalanche, and directing her first multi-million dollar feature Laggies and an upcoming pilot for HBO. Hit the jump to read the rest of the interview:
Question: What was it like reuniting with Rosemarie? She was phenomenal in Your Sisters Sister. It was nice to see the two of you working together again and doing something different this time around.
Lynn Shelton: Yes, very different. It was a little bit of a tease because I said, Will you work with me again and she was like, Yeah, and she thought it would be very similar. Your Sisters Sister was pretty fun, like madcap fun. There were a lot of laughs. And this was like, Can you cry out of the right eye this time? The left eyes not working. Could you go and do your super depressed now in this situation? Oh my God, poor girl, what I did to her. I worked with her on Your Sisters Sister. She came into that project three days before we started shooting and saved us because we had just lost another actor. It was an incredible experience working with her. Shes so intelligent. Shes so engaged. Shes such an amazing actor. This character that had been bouncing around the very back recesses of my mind for a few years all of a sudden bubbled up to the surface and it was like, Its Rose. Its got to be Rose. She became the muse for that character. I had this idea of a massage therapist who cant touch bodies anymore which just seemed like, How could you? You have such an intimate relationship with the bodies of these total strangers. It seems like youd just reach a threshold at some point and go, I cant. Bodies are too freaky. Skin is too weird. She ended up being the creative catalyst for the making of the movie. And then, it was a different experience for sure just because tonally the whole movie is different and the character. Shes one of my faves. I just love working with her.
The music and the score work so well together in terms of supporting of the story and capturing the right tone. Can you talk a little about how your composer contributed to the film?
Shelton: I have to say about the music that I love giving props to Vinny Smith, my composer, because I feel like he made the film finally work. There are so many different storylines and it changes tonally a lot. A friend of mine who had been through the process had seen a couple of the rough edits, and then he came to Sundance and saw the final, and I said, What was it like to see it? How did it change since you last saw it? He said, Well, you tightened it up and cinched it here and there, but the big difference was that Vinny came in and just hugged the whole thing together with his music. I thought that was such a great way of putting it because it does. It felt like a cohesive whole. If you analyze it, hes actually done a lot. The audience is feeling it subconsciously, mostly on a subconscious level. There are themes that he introduces early on, like Rosemaries character, Abby, has her own theme, and then it gets reprised later but its transformed. There are all those beautiful things like that. He creates these thematic musical moments that then get reprised here and there in different ways and transformed. Im in love with the score and happy that you mentioned it.
What about the live performance by Tomo Nakayama?
Shelton: Oh my God, speaking of music! Tomo Nakayama is this local musician whos also a friend of mine in Seattle. I had an experience where I saw him in an a capella performance and it was actually in the space that we shot in. Its this old church that has beautiful acoustics called the Fremont Abbey. I saw him give this show-stopping a cappella performance of a Judy Garland song and it was cathartic. It was like the most transcendent experience Ive had in a live music situation. Literally, at the time, I thought to myself, That voice in this space has to go into one of my movies. So, its extremely satisfying that I was able to get him involved, and he turned out to be such a wonderful actor. I wrote this part that he wouldnt have to do too much crazy acting and its based on him, but still, to be that comfortable and that at ease. I mean, he holds his own with Ellen Page. Its amazing. And then, the payoff of finally getting to see him sing at the end, and the way that it ties together some of the plot lines as well, is very [satisfying]. Thanks for bringing him up. Hes an amazing talent. It was fun.
I loved seeing Rosemarie and Ron on screen. Did you always know that Ron was going to come in and do that role or was that something that just evolved?
Shelton: The casting for this was so interesting because the two main roles, Josh Pais and Rosemaries characters, were written for them. And, as I say, she inspired me. Shes the muse for her character. And then, Josh and I had been in conversation to do something together for a couple of years because we were mutual admirers of each other and wanted to work together. There was another movie wed been talking about, and the character wed developed for that movie kind of transitioned. I realized it would be a great juxtaposition, a great contrast to this other character, so I brought him in as a brother, and then continued to write those roles with them in mind. But all the other parts were written and I had to find the people to fit them, like the little pieces of a puzzle. Adrian was a tough one because he was based on an actual [person]. I have a scene of him in the movie eating sushi at a bus stop, and that was an experience I had where I came up to a stop light, and I looked over and I saw this guy, and he just had this very specific vibe to him and the way he seemed perfect. He was listening to an iPod, and he was listening to exactly the right thing, and he was having exactly the right experience with the sushi. It was hysterical. I was like, Who is that guy?
I made up this whole idea of who he was and what he was like, and I could not figure out an actor to play him. And then, I met Ron (Livingston) at Sundance for the very first time when Your Sisters Sister was there. Rosemarie brought him and we hung out at a condo party. The next morning I woke up and I was like, Oh! Thats Adrian. Ron Livingston is Adrian. I cant believe it! It looked like he wasnt going to say yes at first because he balked at the idea. He doesnt like when couples are in movies together. He was like, Yeah, I dont know. But then, he read the script and he talked to me, and he was like, I would not normally say yes to this, but I actually think that this might be good. Our relationship could really help and it could be good. I was like, Please! I love him in it. Its so quick that you hardly see him.
Do you remember the first performance you saw from Rosemarie that made an impression on you?
Shelton: I cant remember which one was first. It was probably Rachel Getting Married and then seeing her in Mad Men. It was one or the other. I remember seeing one, and then the other one was like, Who is that? She looks familiar. And then, I figured out who it was. It was just those two roles. I dont think I saw her in anything else. I didnt see Matchstick Men. Theres just something about her thats so real. I mean, I just completely believe her. I thought Rachel Getting Married was improvised because it felt so real to me. When I found out it was completely scripted, I was like, Wow. Shed never done improvisation before Your Sisters Sister, but I had this faith that shed be able to do it. Her performances seemed improvised, so thus, it seemed like she should be able to do it. Those two roles were not huge roles, but they just made a big impact on me.
How were you able to get all these wonderful performances from the actors?
Shelton: Its all about trust and emotional safety, and I find that its not just for the cast. Its also for the crew. Ive only worked this way and I dont want to do an experiment where I work in other ways, so I have no idea if its true or not, but I have this theory. It feels to me like everyone is going to do their best work when they feel emotionally safe. Making art, being creative, is risky, especially for actors, but everybody on the set is being creative. Youre putting yourself out there with ideas, and to have your brain be free of stress so that it can actually do its best work, it feels like you want to have a real sense of intimacy and connection and trust with everybody. So, I try to build relationships with the actors, at least to some degree beforehand, whether its phone calls because Im from Seattle or all of us meeting in person at some point, which is ideal if at all possible before we get on set together. I said we were going to have a weekend workshop when I came down to L.A. a few weeks before we shot, but I just made dinner for everybody and we hung out. That was the main thing. We talked a little bit about characters and ideas and maybe some production design and costume design ideas, but it was much more about just getting to know each other and trusting each other so that you can take that level of comfort onto the set.
Youve been directing for television lately. Is that a recent transition for you?
Shelton: My first job was Mad Men which was crazy. Id always wanted to work in television once I found out I think it was on Homicide that they started to hire independent filmmakers to direct. Theres so much great TV and I always thought it would be such a fun little sideway to make money and then not have to worry about my films making a lot of money. If I dont have to think about the commercial aspect of it, then I feel like Im going to make better films. And so, I liked that idea. And then, I was lucky enough to get that job in Season 4, and then New Girl the next year, and then Ben and Kate, and then I directed a pilot in the spring amazingly. I feel blessed that Ive been able to make a few inroads into that world because I enjoy it. If I wait for my own projects, I dont get on set more than every 14 months which has been the shortest period of time. Its just not enough time on set. Thats my favorite time. I live for that time on set. I feel like thats when Im stretching and flexing my muscles and learning how to direct better. Its actually by having more time on set. It gives me more time with actors, and they always set up and give me these challenges I would have never given myself. Its like I have to do a stunt where somebody whacks somebody else over the head with a cane and make it look like it really happened and stuff like that. I would never write that. Theres all kinds of fun toys to play with so Ive felt lucky that way.
Was that your voice in Prince Avalanche?
Shelton: Yes. Im Danielle. Im credited. (laughs)
How did you get involved in that?
Shelton: I got to act with Paul Rudd on the phone. I actually had a meeting with David Gordon Green, Jody Hill and Danny McBride because they have a company together called Rough House Pictures. I met with them because they were like, We want to do these kinds of films. We want some female directors and female-driven stuff. Weve never actually been able to collaborate but I think maybe that was it, and we also have mutual friends like Todd Rohal who works with them a lot and theyre good buddies. Wed had conversations. Wed run into each other. He had just called me about an actor. I would email him and ask him things because directors like to trade notes a little bit about hows this person to work with or how do you get the best performance out of this actor.
But also, he had just called me because he was about to do Prince Avalanche, and it was a much lower budget movie than hed been doing, and he had questions about the union and whatever. So we had had a little confab, and then he was trying to think of who to play Danielle. This is what I had heard, and he told me a couple of weeks later. He told people, I just had a conversation with Lynn. She has a nice voice. He knew I had acted, so he just called me and randomly asked if I would do the scene. It was so funny. He sent me a script and then he had me improvise when we did the actual scene. I just had a mic on my side and I was talking to Paul on the phone. It was so weird and it was fun, but it was also super dramatic. After we were done, I thought, Well, that was fun, but it will never end up in the movie. It just didnt seem [like it would], and then, the way that he put it in the film was so cool. It was one of my favorite parts of the film, and I loved that film, too. It was neat the way it was all abstracted. I liked that.
What do you have coming up next?
Shelton: I just finished shooting a film. Right now its called Laggies. Im not sure its going to continue being called that or not. Its a film starring Keira Knightley, Sam Rockwell, Chloe Moretz, and it was my first multi-million dollar film. It was a project where the script had actually originated with somebody else, with another writer, so thats new for me as well. I was able to shoot it in Seattle, and were in the middle of editing it, so it should come out and premiere sometime in 2014.
Will you be crossing over into television more in the future?
Shelton: I hope to keep working with television. I wouldnt mind doing more. Im actually attached to a pilot written by the same writer (Andrea Seigel) who wrote Laggies so thats going to happen for HBO hopefully. Shes writing the script for them now. Hopefully, that will go into production, and then, Ill keep doing little episodes here and there.
Does your pilot have a title yet?
Shelton: I think its called (laughs) I dont know if Im supposed to talk about it.